{"id":3911,"date":"2023-04-21T18:38:35","date_gmt":"2023-04-21T23:38:35","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/?p=3911"},"modified":"2023-04-22T13:38:20","modified_gmt":"2023-04-22T18:38:20","slug":"almagest-book-viii-on-simultaneous-culminations","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/2023\/04\/almagest-book-viii-on-simultaneous-culminations\/","title":{"rendered":"Almagest Book VIII: On Simultaneous Culminations of the Fixed Stars"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Having laid out, in the last chapter, several &#8220;configurations&#8221; that Ptolemy finds of interest, he now goes about laying out a methodology by which they can be calculated &#8220;by purely geometrical methods.&#8221;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-size: 1rem;\">For the points on the ecliptic with which each fixed star simultaneously culminates, rises, or sets can be derived geometrically by means of the theorems [already] established.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>In this post, we&#8217;ll explore specifically the culminations and leave the risings and settings for the next post.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>To begin, Ptolemy lays out the following diagram:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/5.8.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-3912\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/5.8.jpg?resize=300%2C288&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"288\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/5.8.jpg?resize=300%2C288&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/5.8.jpg?resize=1024%2C984&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/5.8.jpg?resize=768%2C738&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/5.8.jpg?resize=1536%2C1475&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/5.8.jpg?resize=2048%2C1967&amp;ssl=1 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>In this diagram, circle $AEG$ is the celestial equator with a pole at $Z$. Circle $BED$ is the ecliptic with a pole at $H$. Circle $ABGD$ passes through both of these poles.<\/p>\n<p>Ptolemy considers a star at $\\Theta$, and draws great circles through this point and the poles, intersecting the ecliptic and celestial equator at $K$, $M$, $L$, and $N$.<\/p>\n<p>Let&#8217;s pause a moment and remind ourselves of what we&#8217;re after here: It&#8217;s the point on the ecliptic, $M$, that culminates at the same time as the star, $\\Theta$. We need to know where that falls along the ecliptic in relation to some other known point, such as $K$ which would be the ecliptic longitude of the star or $B$ which is the winter solstice as it&#8217;s drawn here and, again, has a known ecliptic longitude.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>[It] is obvious that the star at $\\Theta$ culminates simultaneously with points $M$ and $N$ of the ecliptic and equator [respectively].<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>This statement took me a bit to convince myself of, so I&#8217;ll walk through my thought process.<\/p>\n<p>First, I&#8217;ll simplify the drawing, removing all the labeled points, except the ones we&#8217;re interested in (although I&#8217;ll still remove the labels). Then, I&#8217;ll draw in an arbitrary horizon in brown, labeling the cardinal points<span id='easy-footnote-1-3911' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/2023\/04\/almagest-book-viii-on-simultaneous-culminations\/#easy-footnote-bottom-1-3911' title='If this step is familiar to you, recall that east and west are always at the intersection of the horizon and the celestial equator. Then north and south are $90\u00ba$ from those with north being the one closest to the north celestial pole, which I took to be opposite of $Z$ in our original diagram.'><sup>1<\/sup><\/a><\/span> as well as the zenith. The meridian is drawn in in a light blue.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/8.1-2v3.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-3920\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/8.1-2v3.jpg?resize=283%2C300&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"283\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/8.1-2v3.jpg?resize=283%2C300&amp;ssl=1 283w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/8.1-2v3.jpg?resize=968%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 968w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/8.1-2v3.jpg?resize=768%2C813&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/8.1-2v3.jpg?resize=1451%2C1536&amp;ssl=1 1451w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/8.1-2v3.jpg?w=1920&amp;ssl=1 1920w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/8.1-2v3.jpg?w=1050&amp;ssl=1 1050w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/8.1-2v3.jpg?w=1575&amp;ssl=1 1575w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 283px) 100vw, 283px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This doesn&#8217;t quite get us there, but it gave me a nice starting point to think about this.<\/p>\n<p>Next, we can recall that, as the earth rotates<span id='easy-footnote-2-3911' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/2023\/04\/almagest-book-viii-on-simultaneous-culminations\/#easy-footnote-bottom-2-3911' title='Or the celestial sphere in Ptolemy&amp;#8217;s cosmos.'><sup>2<\/sup><\/a><\/span>, east and west will follow the celestial equator around while, north, south, and the zenith will all trace small circles.<\/p>\n<p>So let&#8217;s rotate things a bit and see what happens:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/8.1-3v2.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-3921\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/8.1-3v2.jpg?resize=300%2C287&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"287\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/8.1-3v2.jpg?resize=300%2C287&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/8.1-3v2.jpg?resize=1024%2C979&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/8.1-3v2.jpg?resize=768%2C734&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/8.1-3v2.jpg?resize=1536%2C1468&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/8.1-3v2.jpg?resize=2048%2C1957&amp;ssl=1 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>And there it is. Everything snaps into place. The three original points all fall on the meridian.<\/p>\n<p>Thinking about it a bit more, if any points are on a great circle that connects the celestial equatorial poles, then at some point, they will all necessarily be on the meridian together.<\/p>\n<p>Moving on,<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>But these points, and arc $\\Theta N$, are given, as will be clear from the following considerations.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>As a reminder, when Ptolemy says &#8220;are given&#8221; he&#8217;s really saying &#8220;we can figure out relatively easily.&#8221; How so?<\/p>\n<p>We will use<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>what we proved at the beginning of our treatise.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>In other words, <a href=\"https:\/\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/2018\/06\/almagest-book-i-menelaus-theorem\/\">Menelaus&#8217; theorem<\/a>.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>[S]ince the [two] great circle arcs $HL$ and $NZ$ have been drawn to meet the two great circle arcs $AH$ and $AN$<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>$$\\frac{crd \\; arc \\; 2HA}{crd \\; arc \\; 2AZ} = \\frac{crd \\; arc \\; 2HL}{crd \\; arc \\; 2L \\Theta} \\cdot \\frac{crd \\; arc \\; 2N \\Theta}{crd \\; arc \\; 2ZN}$$<\/p>\n<p>Let me highlight the Menelaus configuration in question here:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/8.1-4.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-3925\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/8.1-4.jpg?resize=300%2C288&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"288\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/8.1-4.jpg?resize=300%2C288&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/8.1-4.jpg?resize=1024%2C984&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/8.1-4.jpg?resize=768%2C738&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/8.1-4.jpg?resize=1536%2C1475&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/8.1-4.jpg?resize=2048%2C1967&amp;ssl=1 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>As usual, let&#8217;s go through the parts of the Menelaus configuration that we need to know, keeping in mind that we&#8217;re wanting to solve for $arc \\; N \\Theta$.<\/p>\n<p>First off, $arc \\; AH$ is composed of $arc \\; AZ + arc \\; ZH$ where $arc \\; AZ = 90\u00ba$ as it&#8217;s the arc between a great circle (the celestial equator) and its pole and $arc \\; ZH$ is the obliquity of the ecliptic<span id='easy-footnote-3-3911' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/2023\/04\/almagest-book-viii-on-simultaneous-culminations\/#easy-footnote-bottom-3-3911' title='As a reminder, Ptolemy&amp;#8217;s value for this was\u00a0 a bit high.'><sup>3<\/sup><\/a><\/span>. Thus, we know this piece.<\/p>\n<p>For $arc \\; AZ$, this too is $90\u00ba$ as it is also the arc between a great circle (the ecliptic) and its pole.<\/p>\n<p>Next, $arc \\; HL$ is made up of $arc \\; HK + arc \\; KL$ where $arc \\; HK$ is also $90\u00ba$ for the same reason as above. If we consider $arc \\; KL$, this is the arc between the celestial equator and ecliptic &#8211; something we looked at in <a href=\"https:\/\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/2018\/06\/almagest-book-i-the-arcs-between-the-equator-and-ecliptic\/\">I.14<\/a> and built into a table in <a href=\"https:\/\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/2018\/06\/almagest-book-i-table-of-inclinations\/\">I.15<\/a>. We&#8217;d just need to know where on the ecliptic we&#8217;re starting from, which is point $K$. Fortunately, we do know this as this is just the ecliptic longitude of the star in question, so we would be able to look up.<\/p>\n<p>Similarly, $arc \\; L \\Theta$ is the declination<span id='easy-footnote-4-3911' class='easy-footnote-margin-adjust'><\/span><span class='easy-footnote'><a href='https:\/\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/2023\/04\/almagest-book-viii-on-simultaneous-culminations\/#easy-footnote-bottom-4-3911' title='Reminder: This is equatorial coordinates.'><sup>4<\/sup><\/a><\/span> of the star in question.<\/p>\n<p>Lastly, $arc \\; ZN$ is $90\u00ba$ for the same reason as we&#8217;ve seen previously.<\/p>\n<p>Thus, we clearly has all the pieces necessary to solve for $arc \\; N \\Theta$ even though Ptolemy doesn&#8217;t go through a specific example.<\/p>\n<p>But that&#8217;s not what we were after.<\/p>\n<p>So next, Ptolemy invokes other form of Menelaus&#8217; theorem on the same configuration:<\/p>\n<p>$$\\frac{crd \\; arc \\; 2ZH}{crd \\; arc \\; 2HA} = \\frac{crd \\; arc \\; 2Z \\Theta}{crd \\; arc \\; 2 \\Theta N} \\cdot \\frac{crd \\; arc \\; 2NL}{crd \\; arc \\; 2LA}$$<\/p>\n<p>Let&#8217;s go through the parts.<\/p>\n<p>Again, $arc \\; ZH$ is the obliquity of the ecliptic.<\/p>\n<p>$Arc \\; HA$ is that plus $90\u00ba$ ($arc \\; ZA$).<\/p>\n<p>$Arc \\; Z \\Theta$ is $90\u00ba$ minus the declination of the star.<\/p>\n<p>$Arc \\; \\Theta N$ is the declination of the star.<\/p>\n<p>Next, we need $arc \\; LA$. Ptolemy then states that<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>$arc \\; LA$ is given from $arc \\; KB$, by means of [the arcs of] the equator which rise together with [those of] the ecliptic at <em>sphaera recta<\/em>&#8230;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>This statement is a bit opaque, but what Ptolemy is stating is that we can determine $arc \\; LA$ because we know $arc \\; KB$ which is related to the ecliptic longitude of the star.<\/p>\n<p>Knowing that, we can apply the same logic as used in <a href=\"https:\/\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/2018\/07\/almagest-book-i-rising-times-at-sphaera-recta\/\">I.16<\/a>, which looks at what section of the equator rises with an equal part of the ecliptic.<\/p>\n<p>Thus, we can solve for $arc \\; NL$.<\/p>\n<p>Why is that useful?<\/p>\n<p>Well, $arc \\; LA + arc \\; NL$, both of which we know, equals $arc \\; AN$.<\/p>\n<p>Then,<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>[by means of rising times at\u00a0<em>sphaera recta<\/em>], $arc \\; MB$ of the ecliptic will be given from $arc \\; NA$.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>In other words, applying the same logic of rising times of the ecliptic we just mentioned, we can use $arc \\; AN$ of the celestial equator to determine the related arc of the ecliptic, $arc \\; BM$ which is what we&#8217;re after.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ll stop this post here. In the next one, we&#8217;ll explore a similar problem of which points on the ecliptic and equator rise and set with a fixed star.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/Almagest-Progress-20230421.png?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-3927\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/Almagest-Progress-20230421.png?resize=300%2C130&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"130\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/Almagest-Progress-20230421.png?resize=300%2C130&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/Almagest-Progress-20230421.png?resize=1024%2C443&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/Almagest-Progress-20230421.png?resize=768%2C332&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/Almagest-Progress-20230421.png?resize=1536%2C665&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/Almagest-Progress-20230421.png?w=1911&amp;ssl=1 1911w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Having laid out, in the last chapter, several &#8220;configurations&#8221; that Ptolemy finds of interest, he now goes about laying out a methodology by which they can be calculated &#8220;by purely geometrical methods.&#8221; For the points on the ecliptic with which each fixed star simultaneously culminates, rises, or sets can be derived geometrically by means of &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"https:\/\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/2023\/04\/almagest-book-viii-on-simultaneous-culminations\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Almagest Book VIII: On Simultaneous Culminations of the Fixed Stars&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[24],"tags":[25,14],"class_list":["post-3911","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-almagest","tag-almagest","tag-ptolemy"],"acf":[],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p9ZpvC-115","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3911","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3911"}],"version-history":[{"count":12,"href":"https:\/\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3911\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":3934,"href":"https:\/\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3911\/revisions\/3934"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3911"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3911"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jonvoisey.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3911"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}